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Old 02-08-2010, 12:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A s/c s2000 vs Full Bolt on HR

Well, after 4 months sitting in the garage, the old HR had to wake up for some 8k redlining around the neighbourhood. I had just added the old boy to the insurance again, when i realized that i had to do a run to the gas station for some 100 octane race gas. I have an '07 HR with technosquare tune for 100oct and every single bolt on out there for the HR (CAI/H/TP/CB, LTW pulley,clutch/fly, and lots of weight reduction and 4.10's). A kid that lives around the block had just picked up his s2k from a local shop. He had a comptech s/c installed and claimed that his car broke into the 320's whp no problem. My car dynoed 315whp/271wtq. We did a 40mph pull and i had him by a car lenght. From 60mph we were dead even till 100 where i began pulling but not by much FYI with the 4.10's my 2nd ends at 65mph at 8k, so not the best speed to do the 3 time honking. From a dig, well 295's toyo R888 and 4.10's speak for themselves. He was far behind. Overall, the S2k is an impressive lil car. I love the feeling of it with the s/c. I whines and purrs perfectly.
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nice kill i thought the s2k would have had u but i thought wrong... how do u like technosquare???
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nice kill i thought the s2k would have had u but i thought wrong... how do u like technosquare???
I would say the cars are pretty even right now. The reason why I get him everytime is i think due to my gearing and LTW 18" wheels. Also you have to consider the fact that he just picked up his car from the shop. I think he can probably be right there next to me from the low gear rolls, but it feels like the 350 just has a better top end. As far as technosquare goes, i do like it. I have had a great customer survice and no problems with them. Never had any other tunes on my car so i dont know as far as power goes how good they are, but i do like the reflash.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. His nubbers aren't bad for a Comptech. There's one around here making around 305hp and he's scared. My favorite race I have ever been in was when I dusted my old S2000, even though I will always love that car.
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I would say the cars are pretty even right now. The reason why I get him everytime is i think due to my gearing and LTW 18" wheels. Also you have to consider the fact that he just picked up his car from the shop. I think he can probably be right there next to me from the low gear rolls, but it feels like the 350 just has a better top end. As far as technosquare goes, i do like it. I have had a great customer survice and no problems with them. Never had any other tunes on my car so i dont know as far as power goes how good they are, but i do like the reflash.
Yes, the 350 does have much better top end.
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maybe when i need a tune i will be calling technosquare lol... man those s2ks can be nice track cars though.
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maybe when i need a tune i will be calling technosquare lol... man those s2ks can be nice track cars though.
You're not kidding. I wish my 350 could corner like my S2K did.
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You're not kidding. I wish my 350 could corner like my S2K did.
Some coils will help

Nice kill. S2K's are great, but there's probably a reason why they stopped making them. Too expensive to make it practical and convince the wife to purchase it. Plus, some people just can't justify a roadster at all.
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Some coils will help
Yea coilovers make a big difference. I know about of people on here are on lowering springs, but once you switch to coilovers i believe that you will never go back. Body roll will be at a minimum and your car will just feel more planted overall.
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Nice kill. S2K's are great, but there's probably a reason why they stopped making them. Too expensive to make it practical and convince the wife to purchase it. Plus, some people just can't justify a roadster at all.
Soon, my friend, soon

They really aren't practical at all as a DD even though I did for 3 years. I look back and there is no way I would do it again. From the factory they come with a horrible sound system that make the Bose look awesome. The tonneaou cover just looks cheap. No nice multi gauge like the Z. The AP1's came with 16's. There was no special performance options for Brembo's. Don't know too much about the CR so that may be inaccurate. I know the CR did offer better suspension. It was a pretty stripped down car to get it into a competitive price range.
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It costed more without offering anything significant over the AP2 other tan retuned suspension and aero bits. It costs more without AC and radio lolz.
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I work at a Honda dealer and we have only had one since they came out .

Features : an aero kit , retuned suspension ( stiffer ), sticky bridgestones, factory hard top and special colored interior . Club Racer is the "CR'' and It might have a big wing.

There is a customer that I have become cool with; he owns an 05' AP2 S2k and only has lower springs and an exhaust.

We have gone on some canyon runs , talk about a homer, I always let him lead and I stay with him . He tells me to sell my car and get and S2k. And for some reason he always puts the top down as to say I have one and you don't.

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Lols please, sell your car with legacy and rich history to buy another one of hondas dead sports cars (NSX S2K).
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I love the NSX and can't say for sure if the right one came along I wouldn't make that trade. Probably not, though
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I love the NSX and can't say for sure if the right one came along I wouldn't make that trade. Probably not, though
Same here, lol. I can't understand why companies get away from remaking certain awesome cars. The Supra is one of the Toyota cars I hate that they stopped making. I wish Acura would get their heads out of their rears and make another nice sports car, something better than an RSX (not bad cars, but make something like the Z in a higher price bracket). I understand it's a supply and demand economy we live in, but I wish their were other car companies, like Nissan, that were making sporty cars that weren't 50-60,000 but that weren't also-rans either.
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i would take an S2K over an 350Z. because boosting an engine to 500+ with stock internals is nice. a Honda sport car is over engineered.

light, short wheel based, nimble cars that are fun on the track stock.

can say the z's are fun too but just a better all rounder for using on the street. nice V6 sound too.

it's all about preference. and don't focus on heritage. both are modern cars that did not find there way around racing in Japan.
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i would take an S2K over an 350Z. because boosting an engine to 500+ with stock internals is nice. a Honda sport car is over engineered.

light, short wheel based, nimble cars that are fun on the track stock.

can say the z's are fun too but just a better all rounder for using on the street. nice V6 sound too.

it's all about preference. and don't focus on heritage. both are modern cars that did not find there way around racing in Japan.

Okay, coming from the honda community, that entire post cancelled itsself out. What generation of S2k are you talking about? AP1 or AP2? Either way, its moot. 11.7 on an AP1 or 11.1 on an AP2 is too much compression for doubling your HP on boost with stock internals. Something has to give. Sht on 11.1 you're looking at about 7psi max on stock internals for boost. Whats that going to yield you at the most 300 something?

I came from the Honda community. I'm a chick in a predominately male community. I have no diq but I constantly have something to prove it seems. 300 hp isn't going to do it on a Honda even if it is RWD. With the typical stock compression ratio of a honda I'm going to need more than that to yield 500. I'm sure as hell not going to be able to do it on stock internals. My best friend (also a member of the boobies haveers club) drives an '05 AP2.

Crap, the VQ35De has 10.5:1 on stockers. We're looking at 400hp with stockers. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Hey, Sugerpie.

I need to say that we're talking only opinions here, so here's mine on this matter

I hope i can explain this to you in the right way.

in my opinion a high static CR, done right, would get a low static CR an easy run for it's money.

because, each application has it's advantages/disadvantages and each requires a setup that is RIGHT for it.

not all high CR engines are equal and need the same work to be RIGHT.

CR is defenitley not the sole dictating factor in this argument of the HP limit.

it's application!

let's say, a High CR engine would have better efficiency since it will make more pressure when ignited so more power.

so pressure is the single variable that's important, and dictates max power/pressure run on internals, which means, in a practical example: 11.0:1 CR 300HP/10PSI Engine the same as 9.0:1 CR 300HP/20PSI Engine.

because all you can see is pressure, you can reach a certain cylinder pressure with less boost using the higher CR setup. respecting the limit of internals.

Well, that's when in a perfect world(or 2d world) it will make sense! but in ours, this does not work, because behind the scenes your working a required fuel, required mixture homogeneity, and thus required tune for a CR.

A higher static CR setup burns mixture faster, it requires certain timing for the faster burn rate and mixture to be able to completely burn at the right time(retarding vs the lower CR), depending on application for a certain fuel the forced timing/tune might not be in synch with piston/crank tdc movement(making negative work on the assembley w/more timing per RPM), and because more resident heat in cylinder need more knocking resistance.

this requiring the use of a certain fuel with a certain requird octane for better consistent, knock resistant, slow burn

and also, high homogeneity of the mixture equates to less separation of air/fuel, so denser mixture.(responsible of this is inlet temp/intake/ports/chamber quench/piston dome design). so a homogenized mixture of air/fuel will stand up better for a said heat, and have more room for the correct tuning/timing because it will not require much retard.

they call a good quench pads in the head in collaborate with piston "free octane", because it have similar affects as to when you use higher octane fuel.

so you can get away with lesser Octane for said application.

in a Honda, cylinder efficiency shines and are better compared to a Z, the S2K is designed to make the best BHP in it's class @ a whooping 9K+ RPM with a 90MM stroke, blue printed engine comes to mind. and in addition, it's internals forged. and because of all of this, it can hold the boost much better then a VQ engine(which with no disrespect) is a mass-production made for fitting in a lot commercial viechles, the oil pump, lower friction rings, rods, are not up to boost from the factory as an S2K engine.

you can find example of many S2K running more then 500 whp on stock internals, in case you didn't get to see this, here's a vid of a car that is made by the 2nd fastest guy in SFWD outlaw. T1(Tony Palo)
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another example: Modern outlaw SFWD drag Civic's run with more then 12.0:1 CR on their setups and make more then 850+ HP from the least of 1.8 litres!!

"Application" is the dictating factor in the CR battle. two engine are not the same.

i hope i have wrote this correctly because i spent some time with this.

good day.

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Maybe I'm wrong here but lower compression ration the higher the PSI on boost with less possibility of motor death. Years of Honda experience have left me with this deduction. Hence why so many older HOndas (integras etc) have built their motors to lower compression to push higher PSI and more hp gains.
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Integra's can make up to 350-300 hp stock un-opened depending if they are vtec or not on cast piston's and stock rods. those are 90's engine that are boosted after 15+ years of production. with the correct tune and good block the horsepower limit can be increased.

and yes, the lower CR is less possibility of motor death for the average build

high CR makes more but requires, better fuel, looser clearances, and other stuff which basically makes a race motor.

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